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An Interview with Data Anthropologist Peter Huber About Value-Based Pricing

Published: June 5, 2016 | By Chris Mele |

Value-Based Pricing

If you’re like most software companies, you probably have challenges getting paid for the value you deliver. Historically, pricing may have evolved from complicated cost models, or more simply, from how the founders arbitrarily decided to charge for their software.

Add in a few years of development, some new opinions on the matter, and voilà, out comes an ugly looking monetization strategy that your sales team has trouble explaining and prospects have trouble understanding. 

Regardless of where you’re currently stuck, the question is: how do you set prices based on the value you deliver? In other words, how do you migrate into a value-based pricing approach?

Value-Based Pricing is All About Perceptions

Value-based pricing is impossible unless you first understand, at a very intimate level, the value you deliver in the eyes of your customers. 

At its core, studying someone else’s perception of value is an exploration in human behavior, because it deals with people’s perceptions. And people’s perceptions come from their world views and opinions. This is why tools that attempt to automate your decisions on how to price your software fall short as a complete solution (and why dating sites still find it very difficult to find most people a decent significant other).

As it turns out, understanding people’s behavior has a lot to do with how you capture information, as well as who you get information from. But once you leave the comfort of the office walls, virtual or physical, how do you wade through the multitude of customers’ opinions of the value you provide?

The findings may surprise you.

Interview with Dr. Peter Huber

When it comes to customer research, Dr. Peter Huber has been around. During nearly 30 years as principal of PB Huber Analysis and Research, he has studied everything from pickled sausage to complex software in a variety of business sectors: shipyards, aerospace, oil and gas, radiology, mobile app tracking, content management and more.

He has plenty of experience fitting the approach to the problem. So we interviewed him on how software companies should approach the problem of understanding the value they deliver to their customers.

Chris Mele (CM): Can you tell me how you determined value for one of your more complex clients?

Peter Huber (PH): Sure, I’ll use Husqvarna as an example. Today Husqvarna is a multi-billion dollar industry giant, but they didn’t start out that way. Over the years, they have worked with us on a series of projects to better understand the value their products provided to their many different types of customers.

What made our research so successful was that we adjusted our approach for each situation. For example, we were asked to learn how many pulls people think it should take to start a chain saw.

One misguided approach would have been to just survey a ton of people, ask them for a number, and calculate the average. But a better way was to test several products with roughly twenty people, observe how they actually started the chain saw, and discuss their views.

CM: Did you learn something unique using that approach?

PH: We ultimately learned that the question was not meaningful – the number of pulls varies with conditions – basically, it takes more pulls when it is cold. But what customers really cared about was that Husqvarna chainsaws were easier to pull.

You can get so deep in the weeds of product engineering sometimes that you overlook key product benefits that are hugely important to your customers. Had we not talked with those customers face to face, we would have completely missed the boat.

“A lot of people find a comfort in large numbers – the more data points, the better. But this comfort is misplaced.”

Dr. Peter Huber

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CM: Many SaaS companies use large sample surveys in their marketing research efforts. Is this really the best market research technique to use to better understand your customers? 

PH: There is a wide-spread illusion that large sample surveys are more reliable and more efficient. I think a lot of people find a comfort in large numbers – the more data points, the better. But this comfort is misplaced.

CM: Can you explain that?

PH: Sample size is one of the elements that affect statistical reliability, and the easiest to measure, but it is not really the most important. The most important element is generating a sample that is a random representation of the group you want to study. But to get this right, you have to be picky about where you find participants and how you screen them. This can be expensive, and the expense can lead people to substitute quantity for quality.

With smaller sample targets you can afford to be pickier and have tighter control in terms of both quality of participants and randomness of selection. 

CM: At my former software company, we often performed market research, internally and with the help of vendors, to better understand our customers and prospects. It seemed like surveys were the most effective, but over the years I realized our team was missing important nuances. Why is it that surveys seemed to be so ineffective in helping us really understand our customers?

PH: Surveys tend to be so highly automated that they leave little space for exploration and serendipity. Most survey questions are closed questions, with limited choices given for answers, so they leave little room for explanation of context. But, explanations are the richest and most valuable source of information about your customers’ world and values.

It is easy to create a survey that gathers and tabulates a lot of correct answers, and yet misses the main point.

“It is easy to create a survey that gathers and tabulates a lot of correct answers, and yet misses the main point.”

Dr. Peter Huber

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CM: What else affects reliability?

PH: Variance. The more variety in a population, the larger the sample you need for reliable representation. Highly specialized markets, like the ones where many software companies operate, show far less variability than broad consumer markets and can be reliably represented with much smaller samples with a lot of commonality. 

CM: So, blasting out a huge number of surveys can actually work against you?

PH: For certain applications, surveys can be useful, especially in the consumer space. But if you’re trying to understand the complexities of how your customers obtain value from your intellectual property, you’re much better served with more qualitative approaches and smaller sample sizes. You can only process open-ended explanations from so many people. If you talk with one hundred people, you need to capture most of the information through closed-ended questions in order to be able to process it effectively. With twenty people who share a common worldview, you can synthesize a lot of qualitative information.

CM: What kinds of things make qualitative research so powerful?

PH: The interaction is just better. Research participants have a lot to say if you let them. They have knowledge, enthusiasm, and keen interest relative to your products. This is a valuable resource, and the best way to tap into it is through guided, conversational interviews that encourage participants to describe and explain their viewpoints in their own words. 

CM: What kind of structure do you use in qualitative research?

PH: We work from a detailed background brief and discussion plan. Interviewers know what we are trying to learn, and why, and how we expect to get there. Participants often respond to one simple question with an explanation that also answers several others. We let them talk and capture what they tell us. If they bring up topics we weren’t planning to cover but they think are relevant, we find out why. If they have already answered a question, we don’t ask it twice. 

CM: Do you read a script and ask participants the same questions?

PH: We don’t use scripts because they can be boring and frustrating for respondents, and can short-circuit the discovery process. Some people feel that having interviewers read a script assures that each question will be asked exactly the same way for each participant, and every answer will be within fixed parameters. This provides a false sense of control, at the expense of responsiveness.

Instead, we use an intelligent guide, good briefing and highly experienced interviewers to provide control, but without sacrificing responsiveness. A conversation with the right balance of leeway and control permits the identification of common themes and areas of difference, and a sense of what customers need. These findings inform product development, packaging, pricing and promotion. Intelligent data extraction and coding can actually produce highly reliable metrics on proportionality of key attitudes, market penetration and share, and market and opportunity size – even from relatively small samples.

CM: What should software companies look for in vendors helping them with customer research?

PH: You need a partner that can adapt their capabilities to your situation, and develop a customized plan with a clear rationale.

Most research situations have distinctive elements specific to your business and industry. You need a partner who can grasp these by learning about experiences with clients in your industry, and with clients in other industries in similar situations. They should be tailoring their approach to your situation, and they should be able to explain to you how and why they have done that.

If they can’t, walk away.

Interview with David Zerfoss

I met with David Zerfoss, former CEO of Husqvarna Professional Products, on a Saturday over a coffee to get his take on some of the keys to high growth. After all, he grew Husqvarna from $24M to well over $500M before his retirement.

David is an engaging, thoughtful and ever-positive guy, the kind of guy you desire to be around just to chat. He exudes an energy level that just makes you feel great and smile. You can tell him your challenges, and he has a way of coaxing out the answer you have buried inside of you, rather than telling you what you should do next.

I asked him about his extensive work with Dr. Huber.

CM: How important was the research component to Husqvarna’s growth?

David Zerfoss (DZ): It was fundamental to our growth. To grow that quickly, you really need two things: first, you need a new decision-making framework for your management team to think more effectively and quickly – and second, you need an enormous depth of understanding about your market.

CM: How did you get that kind of depth?

DZ: There is no survey on the planet that can give you that. It’s not buried in PowerPoint charts or graphs. It takes an enormous amount of critical thinking and exploration to truly understand the value you deliver in your customers’ eyes. Dr. Huber helped us uncover the many nuances of how we were delivering value over the years.  We used these insights to make many crucial and powerful decisions that led to our growth.

Peter also helped us determine the potential in our marketplace. This guided our strategy and resources. Husqvarna wouldn’t be the multi-billion dollar company it is today if we hadn’t effectively engaged with our marketplace. This had impact around the world.

CM: In summary then, when it comes to understanding value, it’s kind of like brains over brawn?

DZ: [laughs] Something like that, yes.

About Dr. Peter Huber

Peter Huber and his research team are part of Software Pricing Partners’ think tank on Software Monetization, a research and development effort specifically focused on helping software companies quantify and routinize the process of understanding the value their intellectual property brings to the marketplace.

Living in Durham as an Anthropology graduate student, he designed and wrote the code for a factor analysis of longitudinal study measures at the Duke Center for Aging and Human Development – an early venture into big data. While living in Papua New Guinea, he studied the complexities of human behavior, mapping out complex social landscapes and the intricacies of symbolic ceremonial life.

He created Shady Brook Farms Turkey Brand – did the research, developed the value proposition, and managed the communications campaign – and his research and insights while working with Husqvarna helped them grow to a multi-billion dollar industry giant.

About David Zerfoss

David Zerfoss joined Husqvarna as president of its professional products division in 1991. During his 18-year tenure as president, sales grew by 1,700% (hundreds of millions of dollars). He led the integration of distributors in the U.S. and Canada and created coast-to-coast direct distribution to more than 10,000 dealers throughout North America.

After retiring from Husqvarna in 2009, he formed The Zerfoss Group, which offers executive coaching and strategic visioning sessions for CEOs and their executive teams.

He is a sought after keynote speaker who touches, moves and inspires audiences. He is also the author of two thought-provoking, inspirational books, Stress is a Choice and Stress Less and Enjoy Each Day.

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Chris Mele

About The Author Chris Mele

Chris is Managing Partner for Software Pricing Partners, where he and his team have launched some of the software industry’s most transformative monetization strategies. As a former software company founder and leader, Chris focuses on the impact effective licensing, packaging and pricing strategies can make on the most essential software company metrics: revenue, profit and valuation. Under his leadership, Software Pricing Partners has become an influential voice for growth-oriented software companies both large and small.


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